Where did God exist before he started creating stuff?

Why is God always an exception? If anything, adding consciousness, free will, intelligence, thought, and intention to something makes it even less likely to come to being on its own because it would be even more too complex to come to existence without having been created than any non-living thing, matter, or energy could ever be.

If God created everything other than himself, then where did God exist (where was his physical being existing in) before he created everything that exists or has ever existed? If god created all existence then where was God before that? How could God exist nowhere? How could God exist in total nothingness? And if there was something that he could exist in, or needed its presence in order to be able to come to existence or in order for God to find something that he could exist in or be physically present in, because you assume that nothing in the universe could exist without the universe itself being present first, because nothing can exist in vacuum, how come then you assume that he created everything there is from nothing, when he was not the first thing ever that was present when he appeared out of nowhere, or when he wasn’t the first thing ever to come to being? How can you still assume that he must have created everything there is from nothing, without exception, when something else was present or existed before he came to being? This still means that something must have existed before this God created everything there is to create, because he cannot create where he’d be or be physically present in before creating himself or before he even existed. Which means that God didn’t create everything there is. And he cannot exist in total nothingness or absolute vacuum. Even God cannot exist in nothing. He has to be somewhere. If it’s okay for God to exist in such nothingness, then it’s okay for the universe to come to being in that same absolute vacuum or total nothingness, which is the state of the universe or all existence that you assume existed before God decided to create anything else other than himself. One need not pave the way for us or for anything else to come to existence before they even arrive, be created, or come to existence, if God himself can exist or come to existence in total nothingness or absolute vacuum, without needing anything whatsoever to exist before him in order for him to be able to come to existence. In this case, or if this were true, things can be created in total nothingness or absolute vacuum. Which means we don’t need someone or something to create anything to pave the way for or make it possible for anything else to start existing or to come to being. If God needs something before he begins to exist, or before he comes to existence, then he didn’t create everything, therefore he is not God. If God doesn’t need something to exist before him in order to make it possible for him to exist, then whatever that exists inside the universe doesn’t need something to be set in motion or created first before them in order for them to be able to exist or come to existence. Either way, there is no God. In both cases, God doesn’t explain the origin of anything, not even himself. If God created where he is, then where was god before God created where God himself physically existed?

This physical form of existence of God must have existed ‘somewhere’. How could this physical form of existence of God exist somewhere, and not nowhere, or in or within nowhere, if God created everything that exists and everything that has ever existed in all time, and at the same time claim that God was present or has always existed before anything else ever, even vacuum. And that there was nothing before God at all. That is impossible to be true, and this means that the claim that God existed before anything else has ever existed is not true, and is impossible.

All this means that a God can’t exist before anything else ever came to being, as described in religious texts of various religions, where they claim that God has always been existing from the start before anything else.

Where did God exist before he started creating?

* If god created everything other than god himself, then where did god exist (where was his physical being existing in) before he created everything that exists or has existed ever. If god created all existence then where was god before that? God created where he is then where was god before god created where god himself physically existed. And in Islamic texts it is well established that god has a physical existence and that when god says he did something by his hand, he doesn’t mean metaphorically, but he (god in the religious texts) means that he did what he said he did by his hand really by using his hand, and that is because god has a hand and if god has a hand then definitely (that is not just what they believe but what is impossible to not be true if god has a hand) god has a physical form of existence. (And Islamic religious followers has to believe that god has a hand if god says so in religious text like the Quran which are claimed to be the direct spoken word of god, and not a translation of what god wanted humanity to understand, and that is a very important distinguishing point between the bible and the Quran, the bible is acclaimed to be what god meant to tell humanity about but not necessarily in god’s own words, so a counter argument that says it is wrong to say that the literal interpretation of the bible if means something that science has proven wrong is not valid in proving the bible itself is proof of the falsehood of Christianity cannot (this counter argument) exist in case of the Quran of the Islamic religion, because the Quran itself as all Muslims believe it to be is the literal spoken word of god himself. God has ‘spoken all the Quran’ by himself is what all Muslims believe without a doubt.). This physical form of existence of god must have existed ‘somewhere’. How could this physical form of existence of god exist somewhere (and not in nowhere) if god created everything that exists and everything that has ever existed in all time, and at the same time claim that god was present (god has existed) before anything else ever, even vacuum. And there was nothing before god at all ever. That is impossible to be true and/or correct and/or right, and this means that god’s claim that he existed before anything else has ever existed is not true and not right and not correct and is impossible, and all this means that a god can’t exist as god has described himself to have existed from the start in religious texts of Islam or his prophet’s words, and this means that the Islamic text the Quran is incorrect and not true and not right, because the Islamic text of the Quran claims to be from a god that is all knowing and makes no mistakes and has never said anything incorrect or not true or not right in the Quran. And what is above proves that this is not the case, and so Islam is not a religion from a god in the first place, unless someone wants to believe in a god that says wrong or incorrect or untrue things without this god himself knowing that he (the god himself) has said wrong or incorrect or untrue things in what he (this god himself) claims to be free from any mistakes or anything wrong or untrue or incorrect.

Life is too improbable to occur on earth on its own or through mere coincidence, therefore God.

Just put something that makes sense beside something else that doesn’t make sense and walk away before they start noticing that something is missing.

It is time we stopped accurately describing a problem and then proposing a solution that doesn’t make sense right afterwards. If life is too improbable to occur on earth on its own, ascribing its creation or design to an unknown all-knowing and all-mighty entity that no one has ever met before doesn’t help anyone or explain anything. It, in and of itself, requires a greater deal of explanation than what they are attempting to explain by proposing it.

If you’re going to say it is unlikely to occur on its own, so is God.

Why would it be easier for God to come to existence on his own, without needing to be created, or to just be existing since ever, without having a starting point of existence before which he never existed, but that very same attribute of eternal existence or being able to come to existence on their own is impossible to be true for or to be the case with matter, energy, or anything else whatsoever?

The problem is that you can arrive to any of these conclusions on your own at any point in human history, without necessarily needing science to suggest anything that could propel you in that direction. We didn’t think about any of those conclusions because of too much science. We arrived at such conclusions because we started thinking. None of the above conclusions needs any confirmation from science. They only need rationality, reason, and intelligence.

Life is too improbable to occur on earth

It is not all the probabilities that occurred until the first living thing emerged, but there was a coincidence that made the first life form exist from the start despite the extremely low chance and probability of it coming to existence from the start. It is not like all the possibilities ever have all occurred among which is the one outcome that is now regarded as the first life form on earth ever, but it is the one extremely unlikely and extremely rare possibility (the resultant first life form or living organism on earth) has occurred from the start coincidentally without all other possibilities occurring as well before it or with it at all (at least in our reality, because this occurrence of all the possibilities may have occurred in countless other alternate realities of ours and we are the only reality with the resultant outcome of a living organism emerging from non-living origins). It is like a very tiny hole that could pass only one electron at a time, and the location of this hole is north but not exactly known and could not be pin pointed yet (until it is detected by any means that could detect it), but you may definitely shoot an electron that passes through this tiny hole mentioned definitely by shooting infinite electrons all in the direction north in a width that covers all the possible locations of this tiny hole mentioned. It is always argued that it is impossible to hit all the locations one after the other until the location of the hole is hit because the probability of this is extremely low, and so it would take too long to actually shoot an electron in all the probable locations of the tiny electron hole mentioned, and that this is much longer than the time that the universe has existed so far, and so it is impossible to have happened, and there must have been a god that created it without probability but correctly from the start. This argument could be easily countered by the fact that the coincidence that the tiny electron hole mentioned is successfully hit and penetrated by an electron from the first attempt or a few attempts is not any less likely (to be accepted reasonably and rationally) to be what has actually happened and has occurred in our world than the coincidence of the existence of an all knowing and all powerful god that has not been created and has created everything by himself from the start, because both coincidences mentioned are as much unlikely as each other, and so neither should have the right to be reasonably and rationally and logically acceptable more than the other from this argument (of how much the probability of this to occur or exist is too low) only. This is in addition to the fact that it is also possible that all the probabilities of what could have been the outcome of what happened for the first life form or living organism to come to existence could have already happened and occurred in countless infinite realities each contained a possibility of all possibilities that could ever be, and our alternate reality is a reality where the successful extremely rare and low probability outcomes and possibilities of emerging of life from non-living things has existed and has occurred and has happened, without the trial and error of all the other possibilities and outcomes taking place in our alternate reality in the first place.

If you’re going to say it is unlikely, so is God. If you’re going to say it would take too long for all the probabilities to have happened until the unlikely event of an electron passing through the tiny hole already happens, then you can say how too long? Longer than the duration that extends between the moment earth came to exist until now? Can you claim that all these probabilities cannot occur all during this duration that extends from the moment the earth came to exist until now? Can you claim that every single wrong probability has to occur first before the right probability that actually hits the right hole? Does every single possibility has to happen first before the possibility of the electron passing through the right hole happen? If it is so unlikely then this might explain why it took so long to happen (for life to emerge on earth). There is no reason to believe that the duration for such an unlikely event to happen is longer than the duration from the earth’s first coming to existence and now.

Religion is false regardless of whether or not evolution is true.

Still, proving evolution to be true confirms the fact that almost all religion on earth is false or made up. Not necessarily because evolution itself contradicts with the idea of a creator of the universe, but because of the strong claims made by religion concerning the origin of life on earth. Religion seems to contradict with the idea of evolution every step of the way. There’s no way to reconcile those two things without entirely dismissing the other as false. Evolution and religion are mutually exclusive. Any attempt of reconciliation is hypocrisy at an astronomical level.

You don’t have to prove that evolution is true to prove that any religion is false. Still, almost all religions claim that God or multiple Gods created life on earth and are responsible for everything that happens on earth. Since the theory of evolution has now been confirmed to be true beyond the shadow of a doubt, any religion that claims that God created human beings or life on earth could be easily dismissed as false, made up, or obsolete. This alone, should serve as proof enough that any religion that claims that God created life on earth is impossible to be true, no matter what.

Religion is false regardless of whether or not evolution is true

You don’t have to prove evolution is correct, right and true to prove religion (any religion and any religious text whatsoever) is wrong, false and impossible to be true, even if the proving of the evolution theory to be correct, right, and true proves that all religions and religious texts are wrong, false and impossible to be correct as well. Of course the proving of all religions and religious texts to be wrong, false and impossible to be correct, no matter what does not necessarily mean evolution theory is right, true and correct, but at least the proving of all religions and religious texts to be wrong, false and impossible to be correct, no matter what, makes the evolution theory possible (and probable to be true, and this is in case of the theory of evolution not proved yet by hard scientific evidence to be a true, a correct and a right facts explaining theory,) to be correct, true and right.

How prayer works.

It’s not about what you think. You think it works only because they told you so.

The fact that prayer has no effect on the occurrence of anything, should indicate that whatever you believe to be true because prayer works is absolutely false, no matter what. The ability to produce the same results with or without prayer, or whether or not prayer exists, has existed, or has taken place, is proof enough that prayer is entirely useless. With or without prayer, the outcome remains the same. With or without prayer, you will get the same results. Whether or not prayer has taken place, the result would never be, or would have never been, any different, no matter what, except for the effects that may be described as the placebo effect, or the effects of delusion, which would make the praying individual not only believe that everything that happens in favor of what the praying individual wants means that God has answered their prayers, but also the delusion and placebo effect of religious prayer sometimes makes this praying individual become actually better because the praying individual believes that they are now receiving divine aid directly from God, whether or not this is actually the case or what has actually happened.

According to how much the individual strongly believes they will reach their goals, they will be able to succeed, with or without divine intervention. You have to reach something through prayer that is impossible to be reached without prayer no matter what, or else you cannot assume that prayer makes any difference.

Aside from the power of belief and its effects on you, if anything that you receive due to prayer could still be received whether you’ve prayed or not, then prayer in and of itself changes nothing in both cases or whether or not you pray. If a factor could be removed from the equation without the equation changing, then the presence or absence of this factor does not make any difference in the equation or in the outcome.

How prayer works

The fact that the presence or absence of prayer by any human whatsoever has no effect on the happening or occurrence or fulfillment of anything at all whatsoever no matter what except only the effect of the power of delusion on the praying individual(s) is always noticed and understood and discovered by the genius human as a fact and a finding that is absolutely true, correct and right no matter what. In fact the power of the false and idiotic delusion of believing prayer has any effect on anything at all whatsoever has an opposite effect on the genius human because the false and idiotic delusion of believing prayer has any effect on anything at all whatsoever makes the genius human believe in something that the genius human’s brain knows with absolute certainty to be wrong, false and incorrect since ever (even since the genius human is four years old) and this has countless negative effects on the Genius Human. And so the genius human develops an unshakable belief from the start (since ever) that if the genius human wants something to happen in any particular way, the genius human must never pray for that to be fulfilled by god or with the help of god, or else it will not happen no matter what, and this is not because the genius human did not do everything that the genius human should do and can do for this thing to happen in a (certain) particular way, but because of the reasons mentioned above, despite the religious believers believing that god must have had a good reason not to help this time and god must have had a good reason for not making this thing happen in this particular way this time, for the good of this human, whether in this life or in the claimed to be true delusion of an (the) after life, because the genius human is intelligent enough to know there isn’t any reason for that. And the reasons the thing has not happened always has nothing to do with anything god is wrongly believed to be the only one that is able to cause or control, no matter what.

The ability to produce the same results with or without prayer (or whether prayer has existed or not) is proof enough that prayer is useless. And the claiming of religious texts that prayer makes things happen because of god’s interference in anything that is required to be altered or controlled or interfered in by god for anything to happen or occur or exist or be in any particular way or else it (the thing or anything) could not have happened or could not have occurred or could not have existed or could not ever be in this particular way or at least (the thing or anything) may not necessarily happen or occur or exist or be in this particular way if it weren’t for prayer is false and incorrect and absolutely and totally wrong and not true, because whether or not the prayer has taken place, the result would never be (or would never have been) any different, no matter what, except what effects that may be described as the placebo effect, or the effect of delusion, which would make the praying individual not only believe that everything that happens in favor of the fulfillment of what this praying individual is praying god to grant him is because of god and god’s doing and god’s answering this individual’s prayers, but the effect of delusion and the placebo effect of religious prayer to god also makes this praying individual become actually better because he or she (the praying individual) believes that he or she (the praying individual) is being aided directly by god, and the amount or the magnitude of how much this individual becomes temporarily better (due to this placebo effect of prayer in (or that occurs to) any non-genius human who believes in god and any major religion whatsoever) is directly proportional to how much this praying individual believes god has (totally) answered his prayers. Even in self-help, it is said that it is according to how much the individual believes he will reach his goals whether or not this individual will succeed, and the one who believes he will definitely reach any certain definite goal he has, with absolute certainty and no doubt, must succeed in reaching his goals, and in self-help it is called the power of belief, and this power of belief in self-help is considered a must have key to success, and success is considered in self-help to be impossible without this power of belief as well, and the power of total belief in the fulfillment of the individual’s goals is considered in (at least) some (or even many) of the self-help writings to be a law of success.

DNA proves God doesn’t exist

* If the species of every living organism was created directly by god, they would never require to have their body cells each made with DNA that is consisted from the same four basic DNA building blocks. So the DNA of all species being built from the same four basic building blocks does not necessarily mean they were all created by the same creator that is god, but on the contrary, if the DNA of all living species were created by the same creator god the DNA of every species is extremely likely to have been created from unique building blocks for each living species, because there is no reason to make the DNA of all species all from the same four building blocks whatsoever, and also for god to show the humans how god could create DNA from countless different and unique building blocks, and how creative god is, and that god could do anything in countless ways, and not just in one particular way, because the more powerful a god is, the more able he would be to do and create anything through countless unique ways, and always get the same perfect end results he could get through any of these ways from all the other unique ways as well, no matter what.

Also your acclaimed god likes variety, he didn’t just create one kind of plants or a limited small number of plant species enough to do the job of plant life on earth, but you claim that there is a god who created all these countless plant species on earth, for variety, and for why not create all those countless plant species when he could create all those countless plant species, and to show the humans who were only created to worship god (as religious texts claim) how almighty and powerful and All-knowing and creative god is, why would god not do the same – show us how creative he is by building the DNA of each and every unique species from unique building blocks totally or even slightly different from the building blocks which the DNA of each of all other living species is built from – in case of the cellular DNA of the living organisms? Is it because god can’t do so? Then god is not able to do anything and everything as religious texts claim he can. If god can do so, then why didn’t he do it? Is it because the DNA is something that would not show us – except since the twentieth century – how creative and almighty and powerful and all-knowing god is because it is concealed and requires advanced technology to even discover its existence? Then why claim that god built every living cell from DNA while he could’ve created any living cell without DNA and give it life, but god keeps to do things through a way that makes everything seem to work on its own without requiring or needing a god at all in the first place just to show us how powerful, all knowing, all mighty and creative he is? How would he do so through invisible ways or undiscoverable ways by humans? And if they claim this is to provide further proof of how powerful, creative, all knowing and almighty god is to the later generations like those since the twentieth century, (if your claim was true) then why didn’t he vary as he did in case of plants? Why didn’t god show us how almighty and great and all-knowing and all powerful and all creative he is by building the DNA of each and every unique species from unique building blocks totally or even slightly different from the building blocks which the DNA of each of all other living species is built from (in case of the cellular DNA of the living organisms) like god did in case of the vast variation of plant life instead of [(just creating one kind of plants or a limited small number of plant species enough to do the job of plant life on earth (no matter what, it is possible for all life on earth to be perfect or at least exist the way it is now in the twenty first century without all this number of different plant species on earth existing in the first place, as long as there is much plant life from any certain much less than the existent number of species of plants enough on earth for all there is on earth to be the way it is on earth in the twenty first century, god himself claims he created everything for the purpose of knowing how much powerful, all mighty, all knowing, and all creative god is, only, and not because the purpose of creation of life on earth wouldn’t be possible to be achieved or accomplished (humans worshiping god and believing in god while they live on earth till they go to heaven or hell according to what each human has done during his lifetime on earth) without all the abundance of (and existence of countless) species of living organisms that religious texts claim god have created all by himself whether the religious people believe that has been done directly or indirectly by any means whatsoever they believe in its being the way god created everything living on earth through or by (which)), but you claim that there is a god who created all these countless plant species on earth, for variety, and for why not create all those countless plant species when he could create all those countless plant species without any distress whatsoever from the creation process occurring to god no matter how difficult the creation process is (or was), and to show the humans who were only created to worship god (as religious texts claim) how almighty and all powerful and all-knowing and all creative god is)] just to show us how almighty and great and all-knowing and all powerful and all creative he (god) is? And if this was not meant to show off and impress humans or increase the ‘faith’ of humanity in god’s creativity and might, then why did god even bother to make cells contain DNA in the first place without giving the (all the) living cells of all species of living organisms the ability to reproduce with meiosis and do all that the DNA does for (or inside) the cells of the living organisms without the existence of a DNA in any living cell in the first place, through making the living cells of all species of living organisms take direction from god himself directly and be controlled miraculously by god himself directly without god being occupied by this at all for any duration of time whatsoever, and through the living cells of all species of living organisms taking orders directly from god himself instead of needing DNA to do what DNA is required by any living cell to do and make, if god doesn’t need DNA to make cells do what DNA makes the living cells able to do (if god doesn’t need or require the means of DNA to make living cells do and make whatever the DNA inside current living cells makes the living cells be capable of doing and making), no matter what, because god can do anything with or without means as religious texts claim to be true about their imaginary god?

{(Why not make cells without DNA? To show humans how he (god) is able to do anything and everything? Then why didn’t he vary the DNA building blocks in every unique living species to show us how he (god) is not limited in accomplishing any end result by only one way or method, and also to show us how all creative he (god) is like he showed us when he varied the plant species by making the number of unique plant species that vast and great? Because the DNA is concealed from humans until the DNA was possible to be discovered by humans in the twentieth century? Then why create the DNA in the first place and not run cells miraculously and directly from above without needing DNA to do and make what DNA in current living cells of all living organism species is (was) created to do and make? Because he (god) wanted to strengthen the faith of those who has lived and existed only since the discovery of cellular DNA because at that time faith would require new things to appear to strengthen it because it has been too long since god has sent a prophet to do this job (of faith renewal and strengthening) and so new things that may be misunderstood and misinterpreted by delusional believers in god or any religious text whatsoever as a proof of god must appear to those who exist after the twentieth century only? If so then why this new thing that god planned to be able to do the above described purpose is not like the above description ((then) why didn’t he vary the DNA building blocks in every unique living species to show us how he (god) is not limited in accomplishing any end result by only one way or method, and also to show us how all creative he (god) is like he showed us when he varied the plant species by making the number of unique plant species that vast and great?)? If it is not for that (which has been explained above that it is impossible not to be not for that purpose because that is what religious texts have claimed why god has done all this that is not necessarily required or essential for the purpose of creation stated above to be possible to be accomplished successfully at all. [((No matter what, it is possible for all life on earth to be perfect or at least exist the way it is now in the twenty first century without all this number of different plant species on earth existing in the first place, as long as there is much plant life from any certain much less than the existent number of species of plants enough on earth for all the life there is on earth to be the way it is on earth in the twenty first century, and god himself (in religious texts) claims he created everything for the purpose of showing humans and making humans know how much all powerful, all mighty, all knowing, and all creative god is, only, and not because the purpose of creation of life on earth wouldn’t be possible to be achieved or accomplished (each human on earth worships god and believes in god while each human is living on earth till each human goes to heaven or hell according to what each human has done during his lifetime on earth) without all the abundance of (and existence of countless) species of living organisms that religious texts claim god have created all by himself, whether the religious people believe that creation of everything by god has been done directly or indirectly by any means whatsoever they believe to be the way god created everything living on earth through or by which))]) Then why create DNA in human cells in the first place? [(Why did god even bother to make cells contain DNA in the first place without giving the (all the) living cells of all species of living organisms the ability to reproduce through meiotic division and do all that the DNA does for (or inside) the cells of the living organisms without the existence of DNA in any living cell in the first place, through making the living cells of all species of living organisms take direction from god himself directly and be controlled miraculously by god himself directly without god being occupied by this at all for any duration of time whatsoever, and through the living cells of all species of living organisms taking orders directly from god himself instead of needing DNA to do what DNA is required by any living cell to do and make, if god doesn’t need DNA to make cells do what DNA makes the living cells able to do (if god doesn’t need or require the means of DNA to make living cells do and make whatever the DNA inside current living cells makes the living cells be capable of doing and making), no matter what, because god can do anything with or without means as religious texts claim to be true about their imaginary god?)].)}.

Why proving evolution to be true proves religion to be false

Religious texts claim that god created everything directly by himself. Which contradicts with evolution of species from one another as the origin of all living organisms on earth now even if they all evolved from a unicellular organism which was created, the way religious texts express how god created everything is impossible to be interpreted in a way that does not contradict with this. When god says in religious texts that he designed and formed and created by coming down or heading to earth to create every living organism species as exactly as they were at the time the last religious texts appeared, this is impossible to mean he created the initial simple life forms only and the DNA and every living organism species came after that by themselves through evolutionary ways that took place during billions or millions of years afterwards and not at the time during which god descended to earth to create life on earth and create earth itself as well before that immediately.

Also the way that god was described as the creator of earth itself looks like god didn’t create anything else of comparison to earth in the entire existence other than heaven and hell and angels and invisible creatures to humans like demons. The way stars are described as being created to make the sky look beautiful if looked upon from earth and also to provide direction to those who are lost in deserts and darkness means that the one who is speaking about stars doesn’t know that each star in the sky is like our sun of the solar system, and that the sun is just an ordinary sun among all other suns in the universe, which are totally not described as being not any less miraculous than the sun of our solar system itself, but instead described as shining dots in the sky and that is all the miracle in them. And all the focus on how miraculous and amazingly great and mighty and miraculous and balanced our solar system sun is and the moon of the earth is as if there is no other sun ever created by this one (god) who is speaking through religious texts ever, or any other moon as well. God didn’t even bother to mention that this amazing sun of our solar system he created is just another sun out of countless suns he created in countless other star systems in the universe he claims to have created. It is too obvious to notice that the one who is speaking in all religious texts without exception has no idea about our recent discoveries about the universe, and has no idea about anything in the universe or anything that has anything to do with our universe structure and cosmology other than that which is visible by the naked eye of the humans on earth only.

“There is not a single line in the bible or the Quran that could not have been authored by a first century person. There is nothing about electricity, there is nothing about DNA. There is nothing about the principles of infectious disease. There is nothing particularly useful. There is a lot of Iron Age barbarism and superstition. This is not a candidate book. I can go to any Barnes and Noble blindfolded and pull a book of a shelf which is going to have more relevance, more wisdom for the 21st century than the bible or the Quran. It’s really not an exaggeration. Every one of our specific sciences has superseded and surpassed the wisdom of scripture.” – Sam Harris.